tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post7834245276774572189..comments2023-11-04T23:31:40.392-10:00Comments on got windmills?: A NOT SO DIFFERENT BREEDAndy Parxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15398587036690312685noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-31116390116899198832014-07-29T12:56:06.542-10:002014-07-29T12:56:06.542-10:00Wow- I don't even remember writing any of this...Wow- I don't even remember writing any of this... or at least only vaguely.Andy Parxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15398587036690312685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-53306266987435396292014-07-26T19:22:10.831-10:002014-07-26T19:22:10.831-10:00Personal dosimetry monitoring that is easy to use....Personal <a href="http://www.med-pro.net" rel="nofollow">dosimetry monitoring</a> that is easy to use. 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This was followed up by one of her friends saying that any Hawaiian that took their child to Kaho'olawe should be reported to Child Protective Services.<BR/><BR/>I don't think it was a subtext that you missed. It was explicitly written in her e-mail "It's completely irresponsible to take children to Kaho'olawe..." and picked up and carried by a number of Shannon's supporters through the hysterical e-mails that my e-mail generated.<BR/><BR/>An Elaine wrote to the list: "I believe this is something that should be reported to CPS, Child Protective Services. The state and the consenting parents should be charged with endangering minors. At the very least it is criminal negligence and conspiracy to solicit children."<BR/><BR/>This was exactly what my reference to my family's experience with the cholera epidemics in Batangas a hundred years ago was trying to highlight.<BR/><BR/>I had nothing to say about her statements regarding the possibility of DU presence on Kaho'olawe. It turns out from these e-mail discussions that the analysis used to support the idea that DU is on Kahoolawe are dubious from a Western scientific standpoint and that the KIRC apparently has had testing done for radioactivity. It has also come to light that Shannon's suggestion for using geiger counters will not work since the radioactivity in DU is not picked up on Geiger counters.<BR/><BR/>What ultimately, it appears, is that Hawaiians have been essentialized by well-meaning middle-class racists who get hysterical over an issue and then have to control Hawaiians and their culture to make sense of their emotional lives.<BR/><BR/>Anyhow, unfortunately, nobody would address the issue of racism which divides working class people in working class struggles and environmentalists in environmental struggles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-5537799650190856362008-08-11T10:32:00.000-10:002008-08-11T10:32:00.000-10:00Hi Lance- I didn’t get all that subtext from Shann...Hi Lance- I didn’t get all that subtext from Shannon’s original email. All I got was that she was questioning whether there was DU on Kaho`olawe and whether people who were going and sending their children were fully informed. The same by the way goes for the DU activist who questioned Dr. Pang. <BR/><BR/>I understand you concerns and share them as to people telling others what to do and using children as a wedge but that certainly isn’t the case here- no one is taking people’s kids away based on health or suggesting that. <BR/><BR/>But informing them is different than stopping them. It would seem that Shannon’s question is unanswered and would be easy to answer if people wanted to answer it. Until it is answered I certainly would let the parents know that there not only may be DU there but, knowing the military’s penchant for using it and denying they used it I would err on the side of presuming it IS there rather than presume it isn’t. And if you and Dr. Pang are going to pooh-pooh those worries you will be the ones essentially giving misinformation.<BR/><BR/>I don’t pretend to know all the facts and I’m not sure the cancer rates and all that is really relevant. But I question why the discussion about full disclosure spurred anger. Is there DU all over the place or not?Andy Parxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15398587036690312685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-79007602820311393892008-08-11T03:43:00.000-10:002008-08-11T03:43:00.000-10:00The planet belongs to ALL of us. Even the so call...The planet belongs to ALL of us. Even the so called "locals" (most whose ancestors came to work on the plantations of the Haole's) and even the true "Hawaiians" (hardly any left) came from somewhere else, Hawaii has NO indigenous people, the people that were here before the "Haole" came from other islands, and before that they can be traced to Asia, so how does that make this YOUR island??? How stupid is that to think Hawaii had indigenous humans? Plants, bats, snails, birds....but NO humans, not a theory just a fact. So by your "theory" you should go back to where-evas......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-27526854388899390582008-08-11T03:32:00.000-10:002008-08-11T03:32:00.000-10:00Good points Andy. Ignorance is not bliss, it may ...Good points Andy. Ignorance is not bliss, it may be dangerous to your health. Why risk the health of innocent children by ignoring the well established patterns of the US military which has no respect for life or the environment. That is the business they are in, death and destruction are their trade and lying the accepted practice.<BR/><BR/>I will post as Anonymous too because to register and get a password is a big hassle, and anyway it does not matter who I am.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-77921505201258182682008-08-10T20:33:00.000-10:002008-08-10T20:33:00.000-10:00Anonymous HAS said it. You just refuse to accept i...Anonymous HAS said it. You just refuse to accept it (denial) and worse, refuse to remedy it by leaving. Free up that affordable rental; free up that job and quit taking food out of the mouths of those you in your ego maniacle manner think you're helping. Tape a mirror to your face so you can better see what you truly are. You're not needed or wanted here. As you said yourself that the protesters didn't need any help. Go back to your home where you failed and quit wreaking your own failures on the backs of others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-16908614120147971192008-08-10T20:25:00.000-10:002008-08-10T20:25:00.000-10:00Ah, but of all the hypocrites YOU are the worst as...Ah, but of all the hypocrites YOU are the worst as you say one thing and do another. Most others don't know better, but YOU do. That's what makes you the worst.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-74362492880117228662008-08-10T15:49:00.000-10:002008-08-10T15:49:00.000-10:00I have a question to those who keep commenting, an...I have a question to those who keep commenting, anonymously, about the assumed "hypocracy" of others:<BR/><BR/>What is your goal? To shut up all those who care enough to try dismantling social injustice? Every one of us on this earth could be accused of hypocracy. What purpose does it serve to dwell on that?<BR/><BR/>Such calls are absurd and childish. If you have a legitimate critique, make it!<BR/><BR/>In addition, I would like to thank Lance for his incisive comments here. You have much to teach Anonymous about mature, thoughtful and nuanced debate!Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09145011324294730195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-15884599804337535752008-08-10T13:29:00.000-10:002008-08-10T13:29:00.000-10:00Andy,The issue of "children's safety" has been his...Andy,<BR/><BR/>The issue of "children's safety" has been historically used by well-meaning colonial settlers around the world to separate children from their parents as an easy method of cultural genocide.<BR/><BR/>This is why I believe the issue of entrance to Kaho'olawe and DU exposure is a complex and nuanced discussion that Shannon's moralizing simply dismissed.<BR/><BR/>Interfering with parents' ability to raise their children strikes at the symbolic heart of cultural production. This is where the crux of moralizing meets the conflict. Why is Shannon Rudolph or the State of Hawai'i or whoever a better determiner of what is in the best interest of Native children engaging in spiritual/cultural practices than their parents?<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying something certain one way or the other, but Shannon's e-mail did not address this issue. She went directly into 19th century "white man's burden" discourse and assumed that she was in the best position to determine what is and is not responsible behavior of parents.<BR/><BR/>My original point -- and my point still -- is that the issue of DU exposure and access to Kaho'olawe is a complex matter with no simple answers -- especially unwarranted moralizing statements.<BR/><BR/>I agree with Shannon and the many others who sent me all the hate mail that disclosure of the risks and informed consent are necessary, at a minimum. (This is because I believe awareness is axiomatic for the 'good life', others may disagree with this basic axiom of my morality, but it is worthy of discussion nonetheless).<BR/><BR/>Where I parted ways with Shannon (and what sparked my reply) was that I do not agree that anyone who goes to Kaho'olawe or takes their children are necessarily "irresponsible" or "bad". That claim naturalizes political choices regarding the validity and weight to give to Western medical and scientific knowledge and also naturalizes Shannon's position as a non-Native settler telling Natives and others how to live their lives.<BR/><BR/>My e-mail called for her to consider these issues in their complexity and impliedly suggested refraining from the outlandish moralizing that doesn't really further her cause either. (People do not typically listen to hysterics lecturing on responsibility.)<BR/><BR/>lance*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-75689424945617272802008-08-10T13:22:00.000-10:002008-08-10T13:22:00.000-10:00I think what bothered me about Shannon's message w...I think what bothered me about Shannon's message was the implied fact that Kaho`olawe probably has spent DU there, and is thus dangerous. I understand that Shannon is passionate about this topic - with good reason - but the tone of her message made it sound like she was fixated. If she had said something like "I have already talked with Lance Collins about this, and we disagree, but I think the risk of sending your children is too high" then it would've been less shrill.<BR/><BR/>She has a good point, of course - I'd travel with a dosimeter. <BR/><BR/>To the powerless wishing all malihini to "go home" - the only ones you have a prayer of convincing are the ones who will take the time to listen to you and have some measure of sensitivity. The ones who want to turn Hawai`ii into a suburb of Los Angeles don't even know you exist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-59554701847923968722008-08-10T13:10:00.000-10:002008-08-10T13:10:00.000-10:00Again an excellent example of hypocritical drivel....Again an excellent example of hypocritical drivel. TY, Andy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-49154730642644283312008-08-10T11:33:00.000-10:002008-08-10T11:33:00.000-10:00Thanks for the clarification Lance. I have two con...Thanks for the clarification Lance. I have two concerns. One is that people might be dismissive of adults being fully informed and what Shannon was getting at- the fact that children cannot make that decision for themselves and might be exposed without their fully informed consent because they aren’t capable of understanding the ramifications.<BR/><BR/><BR/>As to other comments both here and at Katy’s blog if people were not hypocritical they’d be dead. We all say we want to save the planet but we don’t- we want to save the people. The earth itself would be happy to be shed of us- we’re destructive parasites.<BR/><BR/>The conundrum of existence is localized everywhere, not just here. No one anywhere wants outsiders to “move here” except the scum who want to rip off and exploit them. They may be outsiders and they may be locals who sell out their communities..<BR/><BR/>There’s a difference within that in-between group that that feels trapped by the external system and powerless and so doesn’t do anything about it. They move in one of two directions- some do whatever they can to dismantle the destruction and some perpetuate it for their own gain.<BR/><BR/>So all you perpetuators please- spare us your consumptive, exploitive, self-absorbed comments- we get it... you’re an asshole.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn’t expect all you self-centered me me me me me people to get it, local or haole. <BR/><BR/>You may be born and raised wherever here is for you and be doing a lot more destruction and be 10 times more ignorant and exploitive of the local culture than an immigrant. <BR/><BR/>If you want to act like a child who thinks the world revolves around them expect to be treated as such. In other words be seen and not heard and let the adults discuss solutions that benefit all, not just your resource-gobbling fat American ass.Andy Parxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15398587036690312685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-34878199664346298972008-08-10T11:13:00.000-10:002008-08-10T11:13:00.000-10:00Andy,Please re-read my e-mail carefully. I did not...Andy,<BR/><BR/>Please re-read my e-mail carefully. I did not say that informing the public about the high probability of the presence of DU was bad. It was the subsequent moralizing telling people that based on that information someone is "irresponsible" or "bad" if they decide to go otherwise.<BR/><BR/>My point was that some people may determine for themselves that entering Kaho'olawe and engaging in cultural production is more important than the risks associated with DU exposure. That is a nuance and complexity of the issue that must be adequately addressed in any moral proposition. That was the substance of my e-mail and nothing more.<BR/><BR/>The settler environmental movement in Hawai'i has a tremendous amount of unacknowledged racism that makes it easy for developers/the military/etc. to drive a wedge between white environmentalists and native peoples and other people of color and foreclose the possibility of alliance.<BR/><BR/>The emotion Shannon used is justified considering the U.S. military's alternating strategy of denying and lying regarding the use of DU in Hawai'i. However, Hawaiians and others that enter Kaho'olawe today are typically not the U.S. military and talking down to us is not justified.<BR/><BR/>lance*<BR/><BR/>ps: I do not represent and have no affiliation with Malama Hawai'i.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-14077269318333940742008-08-10T07:07:00.000-10:002008-08-10T07:07:00.000-10:00"Haole go home"...like "white man go home" back 15..."Haole go home"...like "white man go home" back 150 years ago on the mainland. It didn't happen. Neither will it happen here.<BR/><BR/>The Akaka bill will most likely pass. Hawaiians will have a "reservation" here in the islands. All hopes of national soverignty will be gone.<BR/><BR/>More haoles and others will come because they want to and there's nothing stopping them.<BR/><BR/>It will happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-90938305574879045372008-08-10T00:28:00.000-10:002008-08-10T00:28:00.000-10:00Anonymous said, "It’s amazing to observe the effec...Anonymous said, "It’s amazing to observe the effects of the tremendous influx of malahini...." <BR/><BR/>Andy you sit there so full of yourself basking in your sanctimony and deflect a valid criticism of your unnecessary presence on this island. You have the gall to think that we who were born here need or want your opinions and activism. You sit there with your superior attitude and know-all intelligence and direct us unenlightened locals as to how we should live our lives and what we should do with OUR island. It is your useless body that is occupying a needed dwelling and job; not the rich people. They don’t compete for jobs or affordable housing. You occupy what might otherwise have gone to someone struggling to raise their family in their ancestral home. The whole point is that you’re not needed by those who you think need your saving. Do us all a favor, be a nice guy and go back to YOUR home. It’s not the foreign immigrants crowding this island…it’s the haoles!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441020117205433950.post-5471686210077487662008-08-09T21:06:00.000-10:002008-08-09T21:06:00.000-10:00You white people and your theories.You white people and your theories.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com